| <madodel> | Mandie what else is on the Agenda besides SSL |
| <mandie> | 2. _Sponsor Page update(s) |
| <mandie> | 3. What do you want today? |
| <mandie> | (to nclude BoD nominations) |
| <JulianD> | I used the icon in System Setup to create the diskettes |
| <mandie> | . Jousting. |
| <mandie> | 5. VOICE1 - |
| <mandie> | a. Relish/Relish web. |
| <mandie> | b. DBeXpert. |
| <mandie> | c. MySQL- |
| <mandie> | d. Search. |
| <mandie> | e. NEWSgroups. |
| <mandie> | 6. Are we (the BoD) on the same page? |
| <Hoss> | kill +6. please. |
| <Hoss> | ;-) |
| <Sector> | /kill +6 Hoss |
| <Hoss> | lol |
| <madodel> | OK folks, Can we start before everyone drifts away? |
| <mandie> | Julian: I tried but the kernal is much larger with fp16 and all of the files won't fit on disk 1 |
| <mandie> | err...fp15 |
| <mandie> | sorry...I'll be quiet now :) |
| <Hoss> | I'll take that as my cue..... madodel... |
| <Hoss> | I'd like to welcome all__ of you to the meeting tonight. VOICE appreciates your participation. |
| <madodel> | First does anyone have Peter's treasury report from the other day? |
| <mandie> | not I...did we run a log? |
| * | Sector wasn't there to make a log |
| <madodel> | I remeber him saying we had 260+ members and something like $4400 CND |
| <Hoss> | I didn't. I still have not locally recovered from the changes I had to make when we had to 'evac' the server. |
| <mandie> | that's pretty close |
| <madodel> | OK, let's leave it at that. Abel you take over now on the SSL stuff |
| <Hoss> | ok. I'll do the best I can. |
| <os2r> | may I ask, what is SSL? |
| <Hoss> | Secure Socket LAyer. |
| <mandie> | Secure Socket Layer |
| <os2r> | thank you |
| <Hoss> | "Certificates" and the like for the os2voice.org domain. |
| <Sector> | Encrypted communication between your webrowser and the server |
| <mandie> | |
| <Swanee> | For credit card sales and that kind of thing |
| <mandie> | I think the Thwate cert should be purchased "IF" we process cc for Warpstock |
| <Hoss> | VOICE1 our server currently has the ability to offer this feature. It has not been enabled _yet_. |
| <mandie> | and I think Warpstock should assume the cost of such |
| <Swanee> | mandie: How much will the certificate and all else cost for the complete setup? |
| <Swanee> | or Abel... |
| <Hoss> | VOICE is considering at least 2 things a this point to use SSL capability for. |
| <Hoss> | 1. VOICE membership reg's and re-reg's/ |
| <Hoss> | 2. WARPSTOCK Registrations. |
| <Hoss> | Neither is a given. |
| <Hoss> | Background : |
| <Hoss> | Thawter cert's cost $125.00 USD. |
| <Hoss> | oops. THAWTE. |
| <mandie> | I really butchered it :) |
| <Hoss> | one_ domain. one certificate. |
| <Swanee> | per year or lifetime? |
| <JulianD> | Who's THAWTE? I thought Verisign was the certificate body. |
| <Hoss> | There are several___ Certificate Authoritys. |
| <JulianD> | ok |
| <Hoss> | Verisign cost's upwards of $450 USD. |
| <mandie> | Thawte is a Verisign Co |
| <Hoss> | SWanee - I don't recal but I think it's lifetime. |
| <Swanee> | K |
| <mandie> | $125 - $100 Renewal |
| <Hoss> | good answer mandie. |
| <mandie> | I'm at the site..didn't pull that out of the air ya know :) |
| <JulianD> | Hello WarpedOS2 |
| <Hoss> | My browser is tied up with DTOC at the moment.... |
| <mandie> | I'll do the browsing then :) |
| * | Sector takes mandie's Credit Cards away |
| <mandie> | lol |
| <Hoss> | Anyway, we have had _numerous_ problems with the curent scheme of processing memberships... at BMT. |
| <Hoss> | VOICE has many challenges. Processing membership applicatins should be breadnbutter. |
| <Hoss> | in other words, it is our revenue source, It should be simple and clean for the member as well as VOICE. |
| <mandie> | this is true, but our Treasurer will need to do the processing |
| <Hoss> | correct mandie.... |
| <JulianD> | Besides the certificate, what is the cost for processing the transaction? |
| <madodel> | Anyone know what we currently pay BMT and Mensys to process our memberships? |
| <Hoss> | That depends JulianD on who and how we chose to do the actual "transaction" |
| <Hoss> | that's waht most of this discussin tonight is about. |
| <mandie> | I believe BMT is 7 or 10% |
| <Hoss> | right now we pay about $2.50 per membership at BMT. see what mandie said ^^^^ |
| <mandie> | a cc company may charge a fee of approx 3% |
| <madodel> | There is also the fact that we would get access to the funds much quicker, rather then a batch every month or so. |
| <mandie> | this is also additional bookwork for our treasurer for Warpstock's records |
| <mandie> | they haven't mentioned this yet.... |
| <Hoss> | this is true... very__ true. |
| <mandie> | BMT maintained a database for all Warpstock Registrants |
| <mandie> | it included ALL the info that was filled out on the order |
| <DSOM_eCS> | Greetings. |
| <os2r> | BMT's fee included that? |
| <madodel> | couldn't we just notify them when a payment is processed? |
| <mandie> | yes |
| <JulianD> | Hello DSOM_eCS |
| <Sector> | Hi DSOM_eCS |
| <mandie> | madodel: they will need all of the information pertaining to that registration |
| <JulianD> | Won't cc give us a QIF file that we could sort into the correct accounts? |
| <madodel> | True, but won't that be entered when it is processed? |
| <mandie> | there's alot more involved in this than just accepting cc and sending them the monies |
| <Hoss> | That all depend's .... who is gonna write the html, and the cgi's to get it done? |
| <mandie> | Hoss: what does this super duper app (can't recall the name) that Timur talks about....what's it do? |
| <Hoss> | or yes. WarpCharge. |
| <Swanee> | WarpCharge? |
| <mandie> | that |
| <mandie> | oops..that's it... |
| <mandie> | going to see if I can locate info on it |
| <os2r> | n |
| <madodel> | Is Warpcharge just an interface to the CC processor, or does it have a web front end to collect the actual information? |
| <Swanee> | I think it is just the kind of thing we would need if we do this |
| <mandie> | maybe it maintains a dB |
| <Hoss> | it is the kind of thing we need. |
| <Swanee> | My impression was that it was a whole setup like shopping cart etc. |
| <Hoss> | no it does not maiantian a DB excpet for the "TRansaction itself.".. |
| <Swanee> | Hoss: We can parse the transaction probably and write them to a DB |
| <madodel> | So we are not completely sure what WarpCharge is capable of |
| <mandie> | so Echo provides a discount to WarpCharge customers...charge is $125 |
| <Hoss> | I am sure what it is capable of. |
| <Hoss> | the info it keeps is only creditcard related. |
| <Hoss> | the transaction. |
| <Hoss> | you can extend it's capabilites... as far as that goes like Swanee said.. |
| <Hoss> | but the time_ it would take for _me_ to do it... WARPSTOCK can't afford. |
| <mandie> | ;you'd better believeit |
| <mandie> | last year BMT charged them programming fees |
| <mandie> | the criteria that they wanted in the database took some programming to get |
| <madodel> | You mean 2 years ago. They didn't use BMT last year. Mensys only |
| <mandie> | sorry...2 years ago..thank you:) |
| <mandie> | I don't think they are looking at the whole picture when they asked us if we would be willing to do the cc transactions |
| <Hoss> | http://voice.warpnet.homeip.net/warpchargedoc/ |
| <JulianD> | Also, http://www2.thetaband.com/WarpCharge/info.html |
| <mandie> | maybe we need to meet with them and discuss this a bit deeper before proceeding |
| <Hoss> | mandie, I agree with you. they didn't. |
| <mandie> | or Hoss you can just con't with Timur |
| <mandie> | Hoss: after all...you do have a day job :) |
| <Hoss> | I would prefer to have a meeting with them where we lay out all our concerns' Time is running short for THEM. |
| <Hoss> | WE have all the time WE need. |
| <mandie> | lack of responses to our questions is making time even shorter |
| <Hoss> | that is correct. |
| <Swanee> | I agree, we need to spell it all out and get their view too. |
| <Hoss> | If they want us to be an ISV ... for this... well.. need I say more? |
| <Hoss> | We can host it. If they buld it. that's my opinion. |
| <Hoss> | build. |
| <os2r> | gotta go for a bit......bbl |
| <mandie> | that's what we'd be doing by going the Warpcharge/Echo route...but we need to inquire about the info they need from each transaction |
| <mandie> | and a SSL cert may not even be needed |
| <madodel> | OK, then maybe the VOICE BoD should meet with WS instead of trying to pry info out of one person |
| <mandie> | the transaction will take place on the ECHO site not voice.... |
| <madodel> | I think you are right |
| <madodel> | The requirements don't say anything about a certificate |
| <Hoss> | An SSL-enabled web server program for OS/2, such as the Lotus Domino Go Web Server 4.6.2.5 with strong encryption that ships with OS/2 Warp Server for E-business. <<--REQUIREMENT |
| <mandie> | that covers it... |
| <Hoss> | That's straight from the WarpCharge Docs. |
| <madodel> | So an SSL web server requires a certificate? |
| <mandie> | no |
| <Hoss> | You must configure your server for SSL encryption so that the orders from your customers are securely transmitted over the Internet. This will require you to obtain a digital certificate from a Certificate Authority for your secure |
| <mandie> | I think the info is entered prior to them go to ECHO |
| <Hoss> | Again, that's from the WarpCharge docs. |
| <Hoss> | WarpCharge will require a certificate. |
| <Hoss> | on our server. |
| <WarpedOS2> | How secure is the server? |
| <Hoss> | How secure? We have survived more than 3 DOS attacks. unscathed. |
| <Hoss> | LDGW is _very_ secure setup properly. |
| <Hoss> | Ans so is Apache. |
| <Hoss> | AS of right now our mail server is taking over 350 hits an hour trying to shut it down. |
| <Hoss> | they are wasting their time. |
| <madodel> | When will that idiot ISP turn that off? |
| <Hoss> | Remains to be seen madodel. |
| <Swanee> | Is that the bounced mail you're talking about? |
| <mandie> | I have a suggestion... |
| <mandie> | Hoss: you had the email to Timur started th other day |
| <Hoss> | If I get a day off this week I plan to reopne my uunet security ticket and get oceana.net and AT&T re-involved. |
| <mandie> | how about adding our questions/concerns and ask him to post to the Warpstock BOD and request a meeting with them |
| <Hoss> | mandie -->. I would appreciate it if someone else were to author that message. I am afraid my attitude would sho thru.. ;-) |
| <mandie> | I think it only appropriate that it come from you seeing that you and Timur were supposed to be handling this little dealie :) |
| <Hoss> | I have enough_ to do. I will edit it and send it. |
| <Hoss> | I'll pst a copy to admin tomorrow. |
| <Hoss> | I'll add what I can from this discussion tonight... and we'l shall see how it goes... |
| * | Hoss hopes there's a logger//// |
| <madodel> | i'm logging |
| <mandie> | where there's Sector...there's logger :) |
| <Swanee> | I "think" I am... |
| <Sector> | It's being logged |
| <mandie> | where there's Swanee..there's smoke :) |
| <Hoss> | If_ anyone here_ has experience in this area... please contact secretary@os2voice.org |
| <Swanee> | mandie: haha |
| <Hoss> | ok. |
| <Hoss> | so what's next on the agenda Ms. Liason? |
| <mandie> | 2. _Sponsor Page update(s) |
| <Hoss> | our prices are too high. |
| * | Hoss has a very speciall announcement before the meeting is over so don't anyone leave... ;-) |
| <mandie> | I thought you were referring to our "Current Sponsors" meaning the ones that give our members software discounts |
| <mandie> | I don't understand why GammaTech now has N/A |
| <mandie> | Benny has not withdrawn his discount to us |
| <mandie> | and BMT is no longer a sponser |
| <mandie> | I think I'm confused with that page |
| * | Hoss knows _ he is confused about that page. ( some others as well.. but we won't go there. hehe). |
| <mandie> | I think it's a bit pricey also |
| <madodel> | The discount page still lists Millenium Technology, Stardock, GT, Panacea and Spellguard |
| <mandie> | I'll try to work on that this week.... |
| <Swanee> | We can't find SpellGuard anymore |
| <mandie> | we'll get rid of them and I'll see if I can't get some others to offer discounts to our members |
| <Hoss> | ok, any volunteer's to comeuo with a "restructuring of that area" and make a presentation? |
| <madodel> | You know if we do get our own server, we mightbe able to get some more deals going. The current discount page gets a NOT FOUND at BMT |
| <Sector> | Perhaps a trade for Web/FTP space for some of the shareware authors in exchange for a discount to VOICE members
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